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« on: January 24, 2010, 05:43:51 PM »

Most of us on here probably have an unlimited texting plan with AT&T. But what if you don't? What if you have a limited, or pay-per-text plan? Prices can get expensive quickly, but what are you actually paying for?

A text message uses up to 160 7-bit characters (why is it 7-bit? so they save $$$). That's 140 bytes. 140 bytes is small compared to what is a megabyte (1,048,576 bytes, or around 7489.8 messages). Yes, your text message is actually very small. Now, if you are on the unlimited/month plan ($20/line, or $30 for family plan), it it is still ridiculously high charges compared to modern ISP's. For instance, if my family texts 15000 texts per month, that works its way to be $15 per megabyte. If I text (on a singular unlimited texting plan) 7500 text messages a month, I am paying almost $20/megabyte. That would be an outrage even on a dial-up ISP. Even Media Net is only $2/mb on a pay-per-use data plan. On the 1500/month plan ($15/month), you use about 0.2mb of data through texting, assuming you use all 160 characters of each text and the maximum of 1500 texts a month, which makes it almost $75 per megabyte of data equivalent. On the 200/month plan ($5), if you max out, you are looking at around $.75 per megabyte. Back to the 1500 plan; if you go over, you are spending $.05 per text, or around $187/mb of data. On the international plan (100 texts that can be sent to any of over 140 countries for $10/month), and if you have an overage on the 200 plan, you are paying $.10/text, or $750/mb. If you go over on the international plan, use a pay-per-text, you are spending $.20 per text, or $1500/mb. International text messages cost $.25 with pay-per-use, or around $1875/mb. IT GETS WORSE! International roaming charges are $.50 per text message, which comes out to $3745/mb. Well, that's just if you send full texts! What if someone sent you a simple "K" in reply, which makes you ticked off becuase you are are roaming internationally? Well, that text made you lose only $.50, but what was the value of that text? Well, let's say you got a megabyte's worth of "K" texts while roaming internationally. It's unfeasible to get this amount, but I am simply showing a prime example of AT&T's extortion to trivial amounts of network traffic. That's a whopping $600,000/megabyte. Now, imagine that AT&T has millions (about 85 mil.) of customers, some (probably more than a handful...) goes overseas for business often. They don't think $.50 text charges are too bad on their personal phone on which they do not use often while overseas, because they probably have a international phone with another provider. But for every "K" text they receive, AT&T is making a $600,000 per megabyte profit.

What do you think of your phone company now?
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2010, 08:33:59 PM »

THey Suck, nice info Toastado!
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2010, 08:39:13 PM »

But is this any different with Verizon, T-mobile, or Sprint?
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2010, 09:00:47 PM »

But is this any different with Verizon, T-mobile, or Sprint?

Well the rates are about the same. Some (im not sure if these do) include texting with their voice plan for free. Either way, the text messages are still 140 bytes long. I was using AT&T with my math because most users here are with them and I understood their texting policies best.
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2010, 09:09:34 PM »

So when you go to a restaurant and sit inside you get free refills, but what about those of us who don't and carry-out or go through the drive-thru?

A box of syrup makes 384 sodas (why 384? so they save $$$) that's about an ounce a soda, an ounce is pretty small when compared to a box of syrup (3 gallons, or around 3,072 drams). Yes your soda is very light on syrup. Now even if you dine-in (1.29 to 1.79/soda) it is still ridiculously high charges compared to modern gas stations.  For instance, if my family gets 4 sodas to take home at $1.29 a soda, that works its way to be $165.12 per box of syrup. If I drink (on a fast food soda drinking binge) 7500 sodas a month, I am certainly going to die....


Yeah that's the way of business Toast, it's nothing new or hidden.  I guess it's just the way the way capitalism works.
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2010, 09:41:22 AM »

Like buying a beer at a bar for $6.50 when you can buy the six pack for $5 at the store..
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2010, 01:15:09 PM »

oh, the bar business, something i know a little something about.

if you have an in house stereo, you are paying at least $2000 a year for the ability to play music. that covers one licensing company. you most likely need to get all three companies. you most likely have seating for more than 15 people, so that cost goes up. a jukebox costs more for this license. a disc jockey, a band, karoke night. these all cost more in licensing fees. and you need a separate one for each. if your bar is big enough that you have separate entertainment in each room, each room needs its own licenses. video is a whole different set of licenses.
ever notice the movies you buy at the store say that it is not meant for public performance? the license for video doesn't allow you to pop a disc in the machine. you need a special disc or written permission.
and none of this even begins to cover the cost of the jukebox or music you put in it or the dj or band.
that's just getting permission to play music from the publishing companies. it doesn't even get into any state or local laws that might require more licenses.

an example of local costs...
there's a small city/large town near me and goat. each year you pay fifty dollars per machine (video game, pool table, condom dispenser, etc) and you pay half of everything that comes into those machines. not half of the profit. half of everything.
you also pay for the ability to charge an entrance fee (cover charge, ticket price, etc). you also pay half of every dollar that comes in.
regardless of your size or menu selections, if you are open after 8pm, you pay a fifty thousand dollar annual fee to help pay for the extra police and street cleanup required by the influx of people to the night life.
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2010, 01:38:11 PM »

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needless to say, once they started that fee, the little 24 hour pizza shop started closing at  8pm. the little bistros that only served a dozen people could no longer stay open late. but without the evening coffee and sandwich crowd, most went out of business. and new businesses opening on restaurant row stopped.
but the big 500 person night clubs that were already open could afford to stay open. (they were the ones that caused the fee to be needed in the first place). 

so just remember, yes it costs more to drink in public than it does at home, but they are not making as much you think.
employees. rent. licenses. fees. property taxes. utilities. and then if you do happen to turn a profit, the federal government takes 37 percent, the state takes a percentage, the municipality takes a percentage. you're ultimately giving away over half of your profit to income taxes. but you need to pay out all of these various taxes, fees, and costs before you even make a profit.

that 6.50 you mentioned might lead to a dime that goes into the owner's pocket.

besides, isn't it much more fun to drink in public. its totally worth it.
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2010, 06:52:03 PM »

besides, isn't it much more fun to drink in public. its totally worth it.

No. I like that George Thorogood song I Drink Alone. It's totally worth it to watch other people drink in public then act like fools. lol

The replies given to Toast's comments do not justify the cost of text messages. Text messaging and surfing the web on your phone use the exact same technology. It makes absolutely no sense that for $15/month you can download gigabytes of data but it costs you $20/month for unlimited texts which maybe only uses a few megabytes. You are spending $5 more a month to use less resources. It's illogical despite anyone trying to reason otherwise.
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2010, 07:23:32 PM »

Well if you really want to get technical it's not the same technology one is SMS and one is TCP/IP just because they are measured by the same convention does not mean they are the same. I would go into more detail but, I'm sure you already know.
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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2010, 12:39:03 PM »

SMS just means Short Messaging Service. It was a standard integrated into the GSM to send messages over "technology" that already existed. You know telephony. TCP/IP is a protocol. SMS can travel through many gateways and protocols now. The Eternity uses HTTP to transmit text messages with the built-in IM app. It's all just 1s and 0s. The conventional way of sending SMS is becoming obsolete because of technology such as 3G.

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The 7 bit character encoding allows for longer messages, 160 characters, to be sent. The SMS standard only allows for a certain number of bytes to be sent because of the technology it used at the time. If they used 8 bit encoding the message length would be shorter. The fact that SMS can only send up to 160 characters now has nothing to do with the technology it is restricted to. A standard is a standard and the word 'short' means short. If you have something really important to say, call the person or send them an email.

Text messaging should be really cheap now.
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2010, 10:46:26 PM »

OK I understand there is a technology limit i guess BUT, sometimes i get messages from my friends that are very long. for example I just counted 281 characters in one message i received just today . My other from sent me a long one this morning though i didn't count it before i deleted it but it was long enough i had to scroll down to read the whole thing. Both of them are on ATT. One of them lives back east so we text a lot. He has the iphone and sometimes sends me long messages telling me what is going on. 

So if there is a 160 character limit how do they send those to me. I asked them if they were one message and they said yes
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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2010, 11:25:42 PM »

it might look like one text but it counts as multiple.
think of buying beer (to keep with the bar theme). you can a bottle at the bar. you can buy a six pack at the grocery store. you can buy a case at the beer store.
they all contain different amounts and get charged different comments but they get received as one package.

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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2010, 11:39:25 PM »

If you send a message on your phone that is over 160 characters watch it as it sends. Sends as 2 text messages. 3 if over 320.  When you receive them they are the same way. Your phone combines them back together. But every 160 characters counts as 1 text message and that is how you are billed.
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2010, 02:04:09 PM »

That's what I'm talking about. Usually from other people, when I receive a TM , if its long i get it in multiple messages and when I send its the same way. But I have received text messages from a couple of friends that come as one long message. That has happened several times from the same people. I was wondering if it was an Iphone thing that allows them to send long text. Strange
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