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« on: January 10, 2010, 10:55:02 PM »

I'm trying to get started with using Linux. I am aware that there is one Linux and many different versions to it (e.g. RedHat, Ubuntu, and more). Which version do most of the companies/organizations use for their servers? Thank you.
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2010, 11:08:47 PM »

It really just varies by taste.

I prefer Debian, but many use Ubuntu, Mint, Damn Small Linux, Fedora... etc. Just try some out and see which ones you like more. Ubuntu is probably the simplest for new users.
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2010, 12:10:30 AM »

I've never been a very big linux desktop fan, but I've been running linux servers for years.  I've used Debian, Ubuntu, CentOS to name a few.  I'd probably recommend Ubuntu for a beginner, but I've heard a lot of good things about Mint.  I always keep a live cd around just in case.
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2010, 12:50:15 AM »

Thank you for the responses. Both of you replied back with your first answer as Debian. Any reason why? I'm wondering... if I learn to use one version of Linux will I be able to use others? For example, if I learn to use Debian, will I be able to use Small Linux, Mint, and etc...? Since their backbones are all Linux, are CLIs all the same? Maybe CLI is not the right term, what I mean is the command lines, like in DOS there are command line codes.
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2010, 03:37:58 AM »

yes, the core terminal functions (you call it command line interface, which is right, but of course the commands are much different than DOS) will remain the same. Debian is what Ubuntu is based upon, and Mint is based upon Ubuntu. Since they are all open source, they like to (and are allowed to) use the code from each others' distribution as a base for their own. Ubuntu is the most widely used Linux distro, and it has the most online support, but you also find that most of it seems not complicated enough, which is fine for most users (like me), but some would rather learn the in's and out's of the OS and have a more base distro to work with, so maybe a more base distro will be right for you. many users prefer more CLI and less GUI, so a more base distro would be good for that type of person, although I personally prefer a GUI and think it can accomplish most everything efficiently in Linux distributions. you also should learn about desktop environments and what you want to use, such as gnome, kde, or xfce for starters.

http://distrowatch.com/
lists distributions and descriptions of Linux and BSD. this is probably a good start for you, but do Linux first, maybe BSD later. browse wikipedia! learn more about linux, try some liveCD's (where you run off of a CD without installing) and see what you like Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2010, 11:07:13 PM »

In Linux, I'm pretty sure the most commonly used command line is Bash, which is pretty easy to learn, and uses some of the same basic commands as Command Prompt on Windows ( cd, dir... etc)

Mint is basically Debian+Ubuntu with Compiz Fusion thrown in, so if you're only wanting to run servers, I can't say I'd recommend Mint over Debian or Ubuntu. Debian and Ubuntu both use apt-get to download packages and stuff, and it's really easy.

I am unaware of whether or not Damn Small uses Bash, or Aptitude to download packages.  Many of them use different package installers, for example, I'm almost positive Fedora uses a completely different package installer, so if you leaned Ubuntu's Aptitude package installer, then tried to switch to Fedora, you'd have to learn some new stuff.

Anyway, if you're looking to just start out, I'd definitely recommend Ubuntu. As Toast said, it's got a ton of support and stuff, since it's the most used distribution of Linux. There's a bunch of different forums you can ask for help with stuff on, including this one.

Good luck with your choice, and check out that website Toast posted, it's gooood.
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2010, 04:04:17 PM »

It was a while since I used Fedora, but they had RPM installers.  This was a huge pain since it wouldn't download the required dependencies for you for a given program to install, and in my case it had many recursive dependencies that the system needed to have first.

In other words I had to go up the tree and install about 10 other things before I could get the original software to install...  Given that was about 6 years ago, and when I had practically no knowledge of what I was doing.
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2010, 09:09:44 PM »

I have an old Pentium 2 desktop with less than 400 MB ram and plenty of drive space.  I'd like to install the latest version of Ubuntu.  It seemed like a nice way to bring an old computer back to life for the kids to use. 

The system barely meets the OS minimum requirements but does anyone know if it will run slow or have any other OS suggestions for this type of computer.

If it's going to run slow then I was thinking I might just try Xubuntu.  I tried DSL on another computer and it just seems too DS...so to speak.
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2010, 11:18:50 PM »

I'd try Ubuntu first, it'll probably run sorta slow, and you definitely won't be able to do much of anything (But with those specs, you wouldn't be able to do much on very many OS')

If Ubuntu doesn't work... Well, you tried. I don't know anything about XUbuntu.

Good luck. Also, some Ethernet and wireless cards aren't supported out of the "box", so you might have a hard time with the dependencies and stuff if you don't have internet.
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2010, 01:36:03 AM »

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements

You look good. As Disturbed said, any computer that old will run slow, but it would be faster than most releases of windows.
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2010, 12:43:32 PM »

i had a windows XP laptop that was messing up so i installed Mint8 on it...  it's not great, but it CERTAINLY has been running better on Mint...  it's probably cause it's a piece of crap, but it's running now so i guess that's a win...
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2010, 07:12:11 PM »

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xubuntu will work better as its based on xfce which is made for low spec/older pcs kde and gnome are a bit more resource intensive

look for other distros based off of xfce/debian there are plenty out there that are tailored for your needs you could eveb use damn small linux and be happy it has everything you need and you can add anything you feel you need which you shouldnt need to
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